tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post2757793350087501352..comments2023-09-25T05:59:04.926-07:00Comments on Michael Patrick Leahy: Lou Dobbs, the "Birther" Meme, and the Death of Investigative Journalism in the Left Wing Traditional MediaMichael Patrick Leahyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02682711779511069175noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-56699904951743541802009-07-27T13:47:47.102-07:002009-07-27T13:47:47.102-07:00I personally have seen and heard "tea bagger&...I personally have seen and heard "tea bagger" before Rachel ever said it, as well as the term "tea bag Obama" by others prior to the MSNBC show.<br /><br />But I personally found Rachel's bit very very funny, so I know I'm not your audience anyway. I mean really. If it had been an immigration protest with the name "Dirty Sanchez" would you expect it not to be made fun of? <br /><br />I'm a blogger who deals in snarkiness, so I personally was simply unable to resist.James Greenleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236516115418262727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-53755161844363978022009-07-27T13:32:13.033-07:002009-07-27T13:32:13.033-07:00James Greenlee,
Thanks for your comment.
I think...James Greenlee,<br /><br />Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />I think if you research this further you will see that the term "tea bag" first publicly appeared in a February 27 photo of one tea party protester at the first Washington DC party taken by journalist David Weigel.<br /><br />If you check that lone photo out, I think you will conclude no double entendre was intended.<br /><br />Bloggers Instaputz and Wonkette started the double entendre concept, but it was not until April 9 MSNBC broadcast by Rachel Maddow, which was clearly filled with double entendre that the term "tea bagger" with the double entendre became a meme.<br /><br />Check out that video of the April 9Rachel Maddow show at http://www.MemeSNBC.com .Michael Patrick Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682711779511069175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-54400525198611582602009-07-27T13:12:30.409-07:002009-07-27T13:12:30.409-07:00I'm not sure that "tea bagger" was s...I'm not sure that "tea bagger" was started by Rachel Maddow, though she did further the meme. Early on, Tea Party participants were holding signs like "Tea Bag Obama!" with a clear double-entendre intended. It was only when that double-meaning was turned back on them with humor that the tea baggers started to take offense.James Greenleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236516115418262727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-44830312853169509982009-07-26T16:23:34.718-07:002009-07-26T16:23:34.718-07:00Comment from Doctor C. continued:
6b. For the Haw...Comment from Doctor C. continued:<br /><br />6b. For the Hawaii Secretary of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino: Can you confirm with one hundred percent certainty that the original birth certificate of Barack Obama upon which your electronic records were based was in fact a “Certificate of Live Birth” issued by Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children, and not a substitute certificate submitted within a year of the actual birth, as allowed for by Hawaiian Statues which were in place from 1959 to 1978?<br /><br />There is some confused terminology in this question. A hospital does not “issue” a birth certificate. The hospital initiates a document which when accepted by the State becomes a birth registration, and when issued by the State becomes a “birth certificate”. It would be a violation of Hawaiian law for Dr. Chiyome to disclose the name of the hospital where Obama was born — so the question should be withdrawn.<br /><br />Further when a birth registration is changed (according to Hawaiian Law) the certificate issued must clearly be marked “altered”, so this part of the question has already been answered.<br /><br />8b. For Maya Soetero-Ng, half-sister of President Obama: Is it factually true that you were born in Indonesia in 1970, and were subsequently issued a “Certification of Live Birth” by the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health, and that this document is of exactly the same type and form as the “Certification of Live Birth” that the same department has issued to your half-brother, President Obama?<br /><br />It is certainly false that Maya Soetoro-NG ever had a Hawaiian birth certificate. That “factoid” was created of necessity to legitimize the theory that Maya’s birth certificate provided the base document upon which Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged. The story persisted to create confusion over what a “Certification of Live Birth” means. The fact is that Hawaiian Law 338-17.8 imposes a residency requirement on the parents; in order for Maya to have qualified for a out of state Hawaiian birth certificate, her mother would have to have been a legal resident of Hawaii in the year immediately preceding Maya’s birth, which was not the case. Also, an out of state registration would not be a “Certification of Live Birth” because that’s not what is being certified. Since a birth certificate is a primary document for proof of citizenship, they are very clearly labeled as to what they are and what they are not.<br /><br />The implication is that if Maya could get one, then Barack could get one. The only glaring flaw is that the Certificate, by law, has to say where the child was born, and Obama’s COLB says he was born in Hawaii.<br /><br />I find myself intellectually offended by the list of questions because they seem to be questions designed for a propaganda purpose, and not to obtain actual information. Some of the questions, are legitimate ones, but others are definitely not. I detailed the problems with selected questions in previous comments.<br /><br />The questions are posed in such a way as to suggest the possibility of things which are already discredited by law and fact.<br /><br />When the discredited questions are removed, no remaining question could possibly have any bearing on where and when President Obama was born. So why ask the questions in the first place, unless it’s a smear campaign, and not a legitimate inquiry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-42154539440158804452009-07-26T16:22:54.843-07:002009-07-26T16:22:54.843-07:00Comment from Doctor C. :
There are three things ...Comment from Doctor C. :<br /><br /><br />There are three things numbered “1″ in the article. I’ll ignore the first set, and suffix the second with “a” and the third set with “b”.<br /><br />2a. What was the name of the hospital ?<br /><br />Why ask a question which law prohibits Okubo from answering?<br /><br />3a. What was the name of the attending physician ?<br /><br />Why ask a question which law prohibits Okubo from answering?<br /><br />5a. Was the original birth certificate on record submitted as part of the 1911 Hawaii Birth Certificate program, which allowed parents of children residing in Hawaii who were over one year of age to submit alternate birth documentation to the Department of Health and still be called “an original birth certificate.”?<br /><br />This is a dumb question. Barack Obama’s birth certificate shows his birth was registered 4 days after birth. The question is already answered by law, and should be dropped from the list. And the program is the “Hawaiian Birth Certificate”, not the “Hawaii Birth Certificate”, a program which only applies to persons of native Hawaiian descent (which Obama is not).<br /><br />6a. On what date was the original birth certificate on file registered ?<br /><br />August 8, 1961. It’s on the birth certificate.<br />1b. For the Hawaii Secretary of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, who issued the finely parsed official statement of October 31, 2008 which left the impression that she had seen the hard copy of the original birth certificate: Why did you not simply and honestly declare in your October 31, 2008 statement that you had not seen the hard copy of the original birth certificate, and that your statement verifying the authenticity of the “Certification of Live Birth” was based upon a forensic review of the process by which the data about President Obama’s birth in the State of Hawaii’s birth records was included in the data base, and that this process was consistent with the state’s policies and procedures?<br /><br />The question is silly. Hawaiian officials did not look at the document posted on the Internet, and would have no way of verifying its authenticity. What they did say is that Barack Obama is registered in Hawaii, and in 1961 the only legal registration was for infants born in the state<br /><br />3b. For the Hawaii Secretary of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino: Can you make public all electronic records you used and the documentation process you went through to confirm that President Obama’s birth records were kept in the State of Hawaii birth records data base in accordance with the state’s policies and procedures?<br /><br />This asks for violations of state law. The question should be withdrawn. The process could be disclosed, but not the records.<br /><br />4b. For the Hawaii Secretary of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino: Will you request that officials at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children now transfer a copy of their original records related to the birth of President Obama to you, and will you publicly release those records?<br /><br />The question asks for violations of both state and federal law. The question should be withdrawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-23315390107059900152009-07-26T15:58:26.996-07:002009-07-26T15:58:26.996-07:00"The argument here, however, is that only a c..."The argument here, however, is that only a contemporaneous "Certificate of Live Birth" can demonstrate beyond any doubt that the President was in fact born in Hawaii."<br /><br />Except for the fact that, under Hawaiian law, the COLB that Obama produced is the ONLY record verifying birth that the state issues. <br /><br />This is confirmed here:<br /><br />http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html<br /><br />Which states:<br /><br />"you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.<br /><br />The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.<br /><br />The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.<br /><br />And, it's only available in electronic form.<br /><br />Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.<br /><br />"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.<br /><br />Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.<br /><br />"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.<br /><br />Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."<br /><br />"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.<br /><br />Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."<br /><br />Case closed.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06234208838368512316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-8791374036190015732009-07-25T14:47:17.121-07:002009-07-25T14:47:17.121-07:00Hawaii has issued a legitimate "Certification...Hawaii has issued a legitimate "Certification of Live Birth" to President Obama that complies with the state's statutes.<br /><br />The argument here, however, is that only a contemporaneous "Certificate of Live Birth" can demonstrate beyond any doubt that the President was in fact born in Hawaii.Michael Patrick Leahyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682711779511069175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-85353784896252374992009-07-25T13:49:28.454-07:002009-07-25T13:49:28.454-07:00I know the moderation light is lit so thank you fo...I know the moderation light is lit so thank you for the statement: " President Obma has failed to show his " certificate of live birth" ".Now does this mean in 07 Ha. could not have issued a colb, and or never did; and that issueing one now is a physical immposibility backed by political muscle; in that there is now no possibility of producing one; what proof links internet images with Ha documents? Where is the actual colb sent by Ha. in the first place. These being rehtorical thank you for the article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36623192.post-23255773172707424192009-07-25T09:19:10.027-07:002009-07-25T09:19:10.027-07:00I would like to know why Obama does not put this t...I would like to know why Obama does not put this to rest and produce his original birth certificate. It simply defies logic why he would not do this immediately. Which is why I am now skeptical about this. It just does not make any common sense to withhold this information.Valhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04557728504554197334noreply@blogger.com